Meeting Minutes for 8 July 2007

Jul 08 15:10:21 *    Corwyn calls the meeting to order
Jul 08 15:10:40 <Corwyn>    tasks first:
Jul 08 15:10:47 <Corwyn>    1: Move Unity Sites to Dedicated Commercial Server
Jul 08 15:10:47 <Corwyn>        * DATE DUE: 2007-Jul-03
Jul 08 15:10:47 <Corwyn>        * ASSIGNED: Server-Team
Jul 08 15:10:47 <Corwyn>              o NOTES: daMaestro will move all Unity sites to a dedicated comercial server. Details forthcoming.
Jul 08 15:10:47 <Corwyn>              o 1: Investigate the cost of the move.
Jul 08 15:10:47 <Corwyn>              o 2: Decide what needs to be moved.
Jul 08 15:10:47 <Corwyn>              o 3: Implement a plan for the move and inform the community.
Jul 08 15:10:47 <Corwyn>              o 4: Establish the jigdo server and hubs.
Jul 08 15:10:47 <Corwyn>              o 5: Begin the migration at a scheduled date and time to be determined with item 3.
Jul 08 15:11:03 <daMaestro>    !
Jul 08 15:11:12 *    Corwyn gives the floor to daMaestro
Jul 08 15:11:17 *    daMaestro moves to update this task with the following information:
Jul 08 15:11:29 <daMaestro>    1, ok
Jul 08 15:11:33 <daMaestro>    2, ok
Jul 08 15:11:59 <daMaestro>    3, the community will never really know.. it will be a live migration with no downtime.. so i don't know what value this task item has
Jul 08 15:12:05 <daMaestro>    4, remove from task
Jul 08 15:12:08 <daMaestro>    5, ok
Jul 08 15:12:10 <daMaestro>    EOF
Jul 08 15:12:26 <Corwyn>    for 1: do we have a cost?
Jul 08 15:12:43 <daMaestro>    well, i think for now we just go with server pronto
Jul 08 15:12:53 <Corwyn>    ok
Jul 08 15:12:58 <Corwyn>    hang on, let me update
Jul 08 15:13:00 <daMaestro>    i just renewed my contract (annual) .. i really like their service for the price
Jul 08 15:13:02 <daMaestro>    it is ~$40/month
Jul 08 15:13:19 <Corwyn>    ok
Jul 08 15:13:20 <VileGent>    if we get a npo we have someone that has offered hosting correct
Jul 08 15:13:33 <daMaestro>    VileGent, well.... maybe
Jul 08 15:13:44 <daMaestro>    VileGent, the NPO *is* a requirement of even that inferred offer
Jul 08 15:13:56 <VileGent>    correct
Jul 08 15:14:34 <Corwyn>    anything else for item 1?
Jul 08 15:14:44 <daMaestro>    we should do it asap?
Jul 08 15:14:46 <daMaestro>    ;-)
Jul 08 15:14:49 <Corwyn>    yes
Jul 08 15:14:56 <kanarip>    +1
Jul 08 15:15:05 <daMaestro>    it would be good to put the server in the NPOs name, though
Jul 08 15:15:11 <daMaestro>    but +1 on moving on
Jul 08 15:15:12 <Corwyn>    +`
Jul 08 15:15:14 <Corwyn>    +1
Jul 08 15:15:15 <kanarip>    in the end, it will
Jul 08 15:15:31 <Corwyn>    2: Setup Non-Profit Organization
Jul 08 15:15:31 <Corwyn>        * DATE DUE: 2007-Aug-15
Jul 08 15:15:31 <Corwyn>        * ASSIGNED: Unity-Leaders
Jul 08 15:15:31 <Corwyn>              o NOTES: Get the papers filed for setting up a non-profit organization for Fedora Unity. Andrea is pulling the paperwork and documentation together for this with Bob. Even if filed now, not expected to be approved before 01-JAN-2007. Bob is working on hiring someone to get this done. Waiting on word from lawyer.
Jul 08 15:15:31 <Corwyn>              o Contact http://www.softwarefreedom.org - E-mail written, needs approval before sending.
Jul 08 15:15:32 <kanarip>    for now, it's useless to even speculate about having the server on the NPO's name
Jul 08 15:15:36 <Corwyn>    !
Jul 08 15:15:44 *    Corwyn takes the floor
Jul 08 15:16:43 <Corwyn>    I've sent our first and second communications to SF.o, the founders approved communication with them, although they tell us that we have no councel/client privs
Jul 08 15:16:52 <Corwyn>    ie: nothing is guaranteed private
Jul 08 15:17:18 <Corwyn>    at present we're not providing anything that is considered priveleged information anyway
Jul 08 15:17:35 <Corwyn>    We're now waiting for further response from SF.o
Jul 08 15:17:45 <Corwyn>    eof
Jul 08 15:18:39 <Corwyn>    3: Create new content type for templates, other plone related
Jul 08 15:18:39 <Corwyn>        * DATE DUE: 2007-May-20
Jul 08 15:18:39 <Corwyn>        * ASSIGNED: Server-Team
Jul 08 15:18:39 <Corwyn>              o NOTES: Jon is working on this. Include Develop Unity workflow and state change notification. Edit Team needs to work with Server-Team to get this completed. updated the unity team tracker to include any notes Jon has.
Jul 08 15:20:26 *    kanarip moves to go to 4)
Jul 08 15:20:33 <Corwyn>    4: Automate testing of ISO's
Jul 08 15:20:33 <Corwyn>        * DATE DUE: 2007-May-20
Jul 08 15:20:33 <Corwyn>        * ASSIGNED: Testing-Team
Jul 08 15:20:33 <Corwyn>              o NOTES: Create an automated testing process and scripts for the testing of respin ISO's. Script posted, needs more testing. Also needs Will Wood to go over script. Jigdo being worked out to provide a method of ftp or http download.
Jul 08 15:20:33 <Corwyn>              o Determine testing standards - Document the testing standards for re-spin automation
Jul 08 15:20:34 <VileGent>    +1
Jul 08 15:20:40 <kanarip>    !
Jul 08 15:21:04 *    Corwyn gives kanarip the floor
Jul 08 15:21:11 <kanarip>    frozen up and until now due to other busyness, EOF
Jul 08 15:22:03 <Corwyn>    5: Back-ups!! Back-ups!! Back-ups!!
Jul 08 15:22:03 <Corwyn>        * DATE DUE: ON-GOING
Jul 08 15:22:03 <Corwyn>        * ASSIGNED: Server-Team
Jul 08 15:22:03 <Corwyn>              o NOTES: Perform Server Backups!!
Jul 08 15:22:08 <kanarip>    !
Jul 08 15:22:17 *    Corwyn gives kanarip the floor
Jul 08 15:22:37 <kanarip>    wasn't this task removed from the fup-tasklist last week, since jon explained how he had arranged all the data to be backupped? OEF
Jul 08 15:22:41 <kanarip>    EOF*
Jul 08 15:22:51 <VileGent>    !
Jul 08 15:22:58 *    Corwyn gives VileGent the floor
Jul 08 15:23:16 <VileGent>    still want it on the list to remind us to backup at least weekly
Jul 08 15:23:21 <VileGent>    eof
Jul 08 15:23:26 <kanarip>    +0
Jul 08 15:23:36 <kanarip>    crontab -l should have this on the list
Jul 08 15:23:51 <Corwyn>    This item is a permanent item on the list, to be sure that it's done, regardless, questions should be asked, as reminders
Jul 08 15:24:02 <kanarip>    right, ok
Jul 08 15:24:21 <VileGent>    !
Jul 08 15:24:30 <daMaestro>    VileGent, ummm
Jul 08 15:24:31 *    Corwyn gives VileGent the floor
Jul 08 15:24:36 <VileGent>    next weeks meeting at 2100 please
Jul 08 15:24:40 <daMaestro>    !
Jul 08 15:24:46 <VileGent>    eof
Jul 08 15:24:52 *    Corwyn gives daMaestro the floor
Jul 08 15:24:56 <daMaestro>    server backups are automated daily and working
Jul 08 15:25:08 <VileGent>    good
Jul 08 15:25:13 <daMaestro>    there will be no reason to have a weekly reminder
Jul 08 15:25:14 <kanarip>    !
Jul 08 15:25:16 <daMaestro>    EOF
Jul 08 15:25:20 *    Corwyn opens the floor
Jul 08 15:25:38 <Corwyn>    go ahead kanarip
Jul 08 15:26:13 <kanarip>    1) meetings at 2100 are fine with me but i should be able to attend some of the meetings so let's have like a schedule that has 1-2 meetings a month at the early 3 EST / 5 EDT / 11 CET time
Jul 08 15:26:41 <kanarip>    2) weekly reminders are still ok if not the entire server-team can /check/ whether the backup was succesful
Jul 08 15:26:50 <fedorared>    +1
Jul 08 15:26:59 <daMaestro>    !
Jul 08 15:27:02 <daMaestro>    err
Jul 08 15:27:05 <kanarip>    open floor
Jul 08 15:27:05 <Corwyn>    it's open floor
Jul 08 15:27:12 <VileGent>    next week i know i cannot be here at this time
Jul 08 15:27:21 <kanarip>    VileGent, +1, as i said
Jul 08 15:27:23 <daMaestro>    kanarip, in response to #2; anyone with root can check what has been backed up
Jul 08 15:27:27 <daMaestro>    kanarip, it is in /backup
Jul 08 15:27:34 <daMaestro>    and /backup is synced off site daily
Jul 08 15:27:47 <daMaestro>    kanarip, the script is /root/backup.sh
Jul 08 15:28:01 <kanarip>    daMaestro, ... well you know... who is root, can it be sudo-scripted, ... etc?
Jul 08 15:28:15 <Corwyn>    ok, if you want the task removed from the list, make a motion, if all is in agreement, it'll be removed
Jul 08 15:28:15 <daMaestro>    kanarip, i've been waiting to give you sudo until we move servers
Jul 08 15:28:28 *    daMaestro motions to remove this task from our list
Jul 08 15:28:30 <daMaestro>    +1
Jul 08 15:28:38 <VileGent>    +0
Jul 08 15:28:43 *    dreamy (i=dreamy@adsl196-52-73-217-196.adsl196-11.iam.net.ma) has joined #Fedora-Unity
Jul 08 15:28:51 *    kanarip motions to change the task to have a server-team-can-check-backup-any-time character
Jul 08 15:28:56 <dreamy>    hello friends
Jul 08 15:28:59 <kanarip>    +0, daMaestro
Jul 08 15:29:03 <daMaestro>    dreamy, we are in a meeting
Jul 08 15:29:05 <dreamy>    plz
Jul 08 15:29:14 <Corwyn>    +1
Jul 08 15:29:17 *    ChanServ gives channel operator status to daMaestro
Jul 08 15:29:24 <dreamy>    i'm new in fedora i use fedora 7 i wnt add kde how plllz
Jul 08 15:29:31 <dreamy>    ??
Jul 08 15:29:33 *    daMaestro has kicked dreamy from #fedora-unity (meeting)
Jul 08 15:29:41 <Corwyn>    <<thanks da>>
Jul 08 15:29:42 <daMaestro>    well.. we have a 2-2 vote
Jul 08 15:29:52 <daMaestro>    so let's leave it
Jul 08 15:29:54 <fedorared>    -1, I'd like the reminder
Jul 08 15:30:01 <kanarip>    Corwyn, +1 to which motion?
Jul 08 15:30:04 <fedorared>    To verify backups, etc.
Jul 08 15:30:07 <Corwyn>    most defeated
Jul 08 15:30:16 <Corwyn>    er motion defeated
Jul 08 15:30:24 <Corwyn>    any other business?
Jul 08 15:30:30 <daMaestro>    Yeah.
Jul 08 15:30:34 <daMaestro>    Sooooooo.
Jul 08 15:30:36 <Corwyn>    go ahead
Jul 08 15:30:51 <daMaestro>    I'm willing to pay for the first 3 months of hosting on a server pronto server.
Jul 08 15:31:11 <Corwyn>    what does that come to?
Jul 08 15:31:13 <daMaestro>    I'd like to just get us moved. I'm very resistant to developing anything on our current setup.
Jul 08 15:31:25 <daMaestro>    Trivial, ~$120.
Jul 08 15:31:26 <VileGent>    about 200
Jul 08 15:31:46 <Corwyn>    ok, anyone that can donate some funds, da, would you accept?
Jul 08 15:31:52 <daMaestro>    no.
Jul 08 15:31:53 *    kanarip can
Jul 08 15:31:56 <daMaestro>    I'll just pay for it
Jul 08 15:32:09 <daMaestro>    we can then all donate to the NPO when it starts paying for a server.
Jul 08 15:32:24 <Corwyn>    Jon, please keep track of any costs incurred
Jul 08 15:32:36 <daMaestro>    I'm just not going to fix the many things wrong with our setup, until we have a better hosting situation.
Jul 08 15:32:44 <kanarip>    daMaestro, though if you're having any trouble bringing up the money, let me know
Jul 08 15:32:51 <daMaestro>    kanarip, I will.
Jul 08 15:32:55 <VileGent>    let us know
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Jul 08 15:33:11 <Corwyn>    ok
Jul 08 15:33:14 <daMaestro>    Well, the plan would be to get everything with the NPO off the ground and provision another server under the NPOs name.
Jul 08 15:33:19 <Corwyn>    daMaestro: +1
Jul 08 15:33:25 <daMaestro>    I'm willing to fund a 3 month buffer.
Jul 08 15:33:26 <kanarip>    +1, that being my last note this evening! ;-)
Jul 08 15:33:29 <daMaestro>    kanarip, nn
Jul 08 15:33:31 <kanarip>    nn
Jul 08 15:33:32 <VileGent>    nn
Jul 08 15:33:42 <Corwyn>    night kanarip
Jul 08 15:33:45 <fedorared>    nn
Jul 08 15:33:52 <Corwyn>    any other business?
Jul 08 15:34:08 <daMaestro>    Are there any objections to getting a new system setup?
Jul 08 15:34:30 <daMaestro>    I'll limp it along for a week.. and then we can "throw the switch" at some point.
Jul 08 15:34:31 <VileGent>    sometime this week i want to get with the edit team and look at some post
Jul 08 15:34:49 <VileGent>    daMaestro, -0
Jul 08 15:34:57 <daMaestro>    VileGent, what would you like to see done?
Jul 08 15:35:02 *    Corwyn moves to allow daMaestro setup the new system now, with out of pocket costs to be kept track of and reimbursed once we've gotten the NPO setup.
Jul 08 15:35:05 <VileGent>    no objections
Jul 08 15:35:17 <VileGent>    +1
Jul 08 15:35:22 <Corwyn>    +1
Jul 08 15:35:35 <fedorared>    +1
Jul 08 15:35:48 <Corwyn>    motion passes
Jul 08 15:36:11 <daMaestro>    Ok. I'll work to figure out what we are going to do with server pronto as a temporary solution.
Jul 08 15:36:19 <VileGent>    daMaestro,  we have a bunch of posts that we need to publish or reject
Jul 08 15:36:32 <VileGent>    andi want steves help if possible
Jul 08 15:36:33 <daMaestro>    Also, we can then backup directly to my server (on the same subnet) and we can also have multiple people sync with /backup
Jul 08 15:36:46 <VileGent>    +1
Jul 08 15:36:58 <Corwyn>    that's fine, Ben, just e-mail me the links of what you've approved and I'll review and publish
Jul 08 15:37:10 <VileGent>    well i need more training
Jul 08 15:37:20 *    daMaestro motions to end the meeting
Jul 08 15:37:32 <Corwyn>    just make sure they're approved, I'll move them as needed
Jul 08 15:37:55 <VileGent>    well i need training to move them
Jul 08 15:38:10 <VileGent>    and i want the said training
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Jul 08 15:38:15 <daMaestro>    Part of the new site will be that team members will have access to move document around.
Jul 08 15:38:17 <Corwyn>    ok, but things will change once we move the servers
Jul 08 15:38:22 <daMaestro>    Yes, very much so.
Jul 08 15:38:25 <VileGent>    i know
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Jul 08 15:38:37 *    Corwyn closes the meeting