Meeting Minutes for 22 April 2007

Apr 22 17:02:50 *    Sonar_Gal now calls this meeting to order
Apr 22 17:03:28 <Sonar_Gal>    task-list items for tonight
Apr 22 17:03:38 <Sonar_Gal>    http://fedoraunity.org/fup/task-list/
Apr 22 17:03:53 <Sonar_Gal>    1. # Setup Non-Profit Organization
Apr 22 17:03:53 <Sonar_Gal>        * DATE DUE: 2007-APR-22
Apr 22 17:03:53 <Sonar_Gal>        * ASSIGNED: Unity-Leaders
Apr 22 17:03:53 <Sonar_Gal>              o NOTES: Get the papers filed for setting up a non-profit organization for Fedora Unity. Andrea is pulling the paperwork and documentation together for this with Bob. Even if filed now, not expected to be approved before 01-JAN-2007. Bob is working on hiring someone to get this done. Waiting on word from lawyer.
Apr 22 17:04:53 <Sonar_Gal>    no updates
Apr 22 17:05:00 <Sonar_Gal>    2. # Create new content type for templates, other plone related
Apr 22 17:05:00 <Sonar_Gal>        * DATE DUE: 2007-APR-22
Apr 22 17:05:00 <Sonar_Gal>        * ASSIGNED: Server-Team
Apr 22 17:05:00 <Sonar_Gal>              o NOTES: Jon is working on this. Include Develop Unity workflow and state change notification. Edit Team needs to work with Server-Team to get this completed. updated the unity team tracker to include any notes Jon has.
Apr 22 17:05:22 <daMaestro>    !
Apr 22 17:05:30 *    Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor
Apr 22 17:07:47 <daMaestro>    So, I'm not sure at what point to deal with this. Having been granted a GSoC project to build a plone based solution for the Docs Project; and the Fedora Project proper, I will be doing this soon and most likely will use the unity plone stuff to test out workflow development. Rather then doing it how I have planned in the past (clicking the buttons in the ZMI) I think I am going to write an addon product to redefine the workflow. This is more work
Apr 22 17:07:47 <daMaestro>    ; but is more valueable for all parties that want a custom workflow (unity and FP proper).
Apr 22 17:08:55 <daMaestro>    Also, there is a new way to create plone products (which is what we will use for building a content type that is a howto. I am going to do more reading on the new way to do things, but this task has not been a top priority for me in the past weeks. EOF
Apr 22 17:09:11 <daMaestro>    s/howto./howto.)
Apr 22 17:09:21 <Sonar_Gal>    3. # Automate testing of ISO's
Apr 22 17:09:21 <Sonar_Gal>        * DATE DUE: 2007-APR-22
Apr 22 17:09:21 <Sonar_Gal>        * ASSIGNED: Testing-Team
Apr 22 17:09:21 <Sonar_Gal>              o NOTES: Create an automated testing process and scripts for the testing of respin ISO's. Script posted, needs more testing. Also needs Will Wood to go over script. Jigdo being worked out to provide a method of ftp or http download. Jon and Bob working with RHTS/Beaker for automated testing.
Apr 22 17:09:43 <daMaestro>    !
Apr 22 17:09:57 <Southern_Gentlem>    !
Apr 22 17:10:00 *    Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor
Apr 22 17:10:03 <daMaestro>    I have only looked at RHTS/Beaker and have spent almost no time on this task. EOF
Apr 22 17:10:07 *    Sonar_Gal gives Southern_Gentlem the floor
Apr 22 17:10:28 <Southern_Gentlem>    jigdo works very well for distrubution of our respins
Apr 22 17:10:31 <Southern_Gentlem>    eof
Apr 22 17:10:43 <Corwyn>    ?
Apr 22 17:11:31 *    Sonar_Gal gives Corwyn the floor
Apr 22 17:11:31 <daMaestro>    !
Apr 22 17:11:34 <Corwyn>    does this mean item 3 is completed? eof
Apr 22 17:11:45 *    Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor
Apr 22 17:12:00 <daMaestro>    Corwyn, I don't think so, we have not even defined what tests to run .. and how to run them.
Apr 22 17:12:11 <Corwyn>    ok
Apr 22 17:12:21 <Southern_Gentlem>    !
Apr 22 17:12:59 *    Sonar_Gal gives Southern_Gentlem the floor
Apr 22 17:13:09 <daMaestro>    Southern_Gentlem, I also agree Jigdo has proven it is a workable solution. There are problems here and there; however the only issues I have seen reported were due to needing to switch downloadX.fedoraunity.org over from fatass to my new dedicated server. I chose sleep over doing it at 2am. EOF
Apr 22 17:13:42 <Southern_Gentlem>    i am hoping that what me and Harley-D did on putting how to test on our testing reports eof
Apr 22 17:13:55 <daMaestro>    !
Apr 22 17:14:01 *    Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor
Apr 22 17:14:13 <daMaestro>    This was very helpful; more on that later... we can move on. EOF
Apr 22 17:14:45 <Sonar_Gal>    4.    4. Back-ups!! Back-ups!! Back-ups!!
Apr 22 17:14:45 <Sonar_Gal>              * DATE DUE: ON-GOING
Apr 22 17:14:45 <Sonar_Gal>              * ASSIGNED: Server-Team
Apr 22 17:14:45 <Sonar_Gal>                    o NOTES: Perform Server Backups!!
Apr 22 17:14:50 <Sonar_Guy>    !
Apr 22 17:14:56 *    Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor
Apr 22 17:15:24 <Sonar_Guy>    On that note I would like to discuss another topic.  May we open the Floor? EOF
Apr 22 17:15:39 *    Corwyn seconds
Apr 22 17:15:50 <Sonar_Gal>    the floor is now open for discussion
Apr 22 17:16:51 <Sonar_Guy>    For the second time, we have had a server issue which resulted in a lost of data.  Granted this time it was only 2 months worth of work, but there was a lot of data lost that was created during the 2 month period.
Apr 22 17:17:16 <Southern_Gentlem>    +1
Apr 22 17:17:27 <daMaestro>    Southern_Gentlem, such as all of your testing reports
Apr 22 17:17:35 <Sonar_Gal>    +1
Apr 22 17:17:36 <Sonar_Guy>    I would like to bring up the subject of moving the Unity Sites to a dedicated server that has on-site backup and maintenance.
Apr 22 17:17:57 <Sonar_Guy>    Is there any reason why this can not be accomplished?
Apr 22 17:18:08 <Corwyn>    a number of posts were lost, not quite sure how many for sure, could be as many of 5, several were reclaimed and 2 reposted
Apr 22 17:18:17 <daMaestro>    We have mainly been waiting for the NPO; so we can have it funded by others.
Apr 22 17:18:30 <daMaestro>    Corwyn, has the google cache been searched?
Apr 22 17:18:30 <Sonar_Guy>    I am not blaming Bob or anybody else for the data loss I would just like to see no more down time for the sites.
Apr 22 17:18:31 <Southern_Gentlem>    i dont see no reason it cant other money
Apr 22 17:18:49 <Corwyn>    yes, it's been unhelpful due to the fact that the posts were too recent
Apr 22 17:18:56 <daMaestro>    ok
Apr 22 17:18:59 <Southern_Gentlem>    also a site where several of us can do backups
Apr 22 17:19:14 <Sonar_Guy>    I will personally fund this until we can get the NPO in place if needed!!
Apr 22 17:19:37 <Corwyn>    I'm willing to donate funds as well
Apr 22 17:19:56 <daMaestro>    I think all of that should wait till we have a NPO setup.
Apr 22 17:20:07 <daMaestro>    I'm willing to host the plone stuff on my server
Apr 22 17:20:07 <Sonar_Guy>    But I do want it to be a dedicated server at a commercial establishment if economically feasible.
Apr 22 17:20:21 <Southern_Gentlem>    daMaestro, then what is your suggestion we do till then
Apr 22 17:20:23 <daMaestro>    and if need be I can host everything, DNS, mail, etc
Apr 22 17:20:32 <Sonar_Guy>    daMaestro: +1
Apr 22 17:20:36 <daMaestro>    Southern_Gentlem, well I have this new dedicated server
Apr 22 17:20:43 <Southern_Gentlem>    yep i know
Apr 22 17:20:55 <Corwyn>    daMaestro: +1
Apr 22 17:20:59 <Sonar_Guy>    and as I said I will provide whatever money is needed to start this transfer.
Apr 22 17:21:09 <Southern_Gentlem>    ! moves to move the sites
Apr 22 17:21:20 *    daMaestro +1
Apr 22 17:21:23 <Sonar_Guy>    Can we have an official Vote please?
Apr 22 17:21:27 <daMaestro>    please.
Apr 22 17:21:29 <Southern_Gentlem>    +1
Apr 22 17:21:47 <Sonar_Gal>    +1
Apr 22 17:21:52 <Corwyn>    +1
Apr 22 17:21:54 *    Foolish has quit (Remote closed the connection)
Apr 22 17:21:57 <Sonar_Guy>    +1
Apr 22 17:22:44 <Sonar_Guy>    Any other votes for or against?
Apr 22 17:22:49 <Melio>    +1
Apr 22 17:22:59 <Southern_Gentlem>    ok jon what exactly we lose in this crash
Apr 22 17:22:59 *    Foolish (n=foolish@139.84-48-61.nextgentel.com) has joined #fedora-unity
Apr 22 17:23:19 <Sonar_Guy>    Corwyn: Please add this to the task list.
Apr 22 17:23:24 <Corwyn>    ok
Apr 22 17:23:30 <daMaestro>    I have not looked; I have taken the past two days off as it really got to me.
Apr 22 17:23:51 <daMaestro>    basically the VM running now is from Feb 19th 2007 IIRC
Apr 22 17:23:56 *    daMaestro goes to double check this
Apr 22 17:24:03 <Southern_Gentlem>    did we lose the respins (jigdo and template files)
Apr 22 17:24:25 <Corwyn>    what due date should we give?>
Apr 22 17:24:38 <daMaestro>    Southern_Gentlem, no.. I have all that here local
Apr 22 17:24:46 <Southern_Gentlem>    whew
Apr 22 17:24:53 <daMaestro>    Southern_Gentlem, we did loose everything I did on torrent.fedoraunity.org.
Apr 22 17:24:56 <Sonar_Guy>    daMaestro: How long do you think this will take to implement?
Apr 22 17:25:00 <daMaestro>    but that can be redone.
Apr 22 17:25:21 <Southern_Gentlem>    ok i can stop trying grab those locally then
Apr 22 17:25:46 <daMaestro>    Sonar_Guy, well there are a few things I want to get done before hand; i can outline it after the meeting? or should I now?
Apr 22 17:26:08 <Corwyn>    daMaestro: for the task list, can you give an estimated time?
Apr 22 17:26:17 <Sonar_Guy>    If you want to get with Corwyn after the meeting and detail it in the task list that is fine.
Apr 22 17:26:30 <daMaestro>    Ok, I don't really know what needs to be done.
Apr 22 17:26:38 <daMaestro>    What are we going to move?
Apr 22 17:26:56 <Southern_Gentlem>    everything we can
Apr 22 17:27:01 <Sonar_Gal>    +1
Apr 22 17:27:05 <Sonar_Guy>    I would say the Unity/Solved sites, mail/torrents if possible.
Apr 22 17:27:32 <Sonar_Guy>    Then decide from there if anything else needs to be moved.
Apr 22 17:27:33 <daMaestro>    per the torrent stuff; we should basically shutdown our trackers for now.
Apr 22 17:27:45 <Corwyn>    Unity, Solved, Mobile, 64, Torrents, Mail
Apr 22 17:27:59 <Corwyn>    daMaestro: shutdown the tracker
Apr 22 17:28:02 <Sonar_Guy>    If thats what you want, What is the reason behind this?
Apr 22 17:28:23 <Sonar_Guy>    due to the age?
Apr 22 17:28:27 <Southern_Gentlem>    we are not serving any torrents
Apr 22 17:28:27 <daMaestro>    Well, we have dropped all torrents; and the fedora.bandwidthmarket.com hub could be taken offline.
Apr 22 17:28:44 *    Foolish has quit (Remote closed the connection)
Apr 22 17:28:48 <Corwyn>    I'd say that and the fact that we're moving to jigdo, so torrent isn't necessary any longer
Apr 22 17:28:53 <Sonar_Guy>    yes but we still have images up for download.
Apr 22 17:28:59 <daMaestro>    well, we didn't
Apr 22 17:29:04 <Sonar_Guy>    Ah ok.
Apr 22 17:29:07 <daMaestro>    but with the currently active VM.. we do now.
Apr 22 17:29:17 <daMaestro>    I had removed everything and revamped the torrent site.
Apr 22 17:29:39 <Sonar_Guy>    Then I would say shut them down and Post a News topic about it.
Apr 22 17:29:50 <daMaestro>    Well, I am going to need to make a plan on what needs to be setup on my dedicated server.
Apr 22 17:30:08 <daMaestro>    I think I am going to need to change the way I do mail hosting; among other things.
Apr 22 17:30:12 <Sonar_Guy>    If there is still a need for the older re-spins I can give ftp access to my images on a case by case basis.
Apr 22 17:30:14 <daMaestro>    I'll need to setup FDS, etc
Apr 22 17:30:20 <Melio>    is anyone familar with military policy concepts
Apr 22 17:30:21 <Corwyn>    I'd suggest that with the current transition of servers, let's clean up, shut down the tracker and get the jigdo download established, then move the rest of the sites. At least we're still servicing the community
Apr 22 17:30:41 <Melio>    the form of documentation simular to RFC
Apr 22 17:30:42 <Sonar_Guy>    Corwyn: +1
Apr 22 17:30:50 <daMaestro>    Corwyn, +1
Apr 22 17:31:05 <Corwyn>    All news items have been expired already
Apr 22 17:31:10 <Sonar_Gal>    Corwyn, +1
Apr 22 17:31:14 <Corwyn>    I did that earlier today
Apr 22 17:31:20 <daMaestro>    Ok, so now the question is what resources can others donate?
Apr 22 17:31:26 <daMaestro>    Such:
Apr 22 17:31:26 <Melio>    I can
Apr 22 17:31:42 <Southern_Gentlem>    and at this point it would be good this week to install f7t4 and start testing for f7
Apr 22 17:31:47 <Corwyn>    daMaestro: I can donate DNS service if needed, my server is a fully functional and stable DNS
Apr 22 17:31:47 <daMaestro>    We would like backup mail servers, backup/slave dns servers, backup everything servers.
Apr 22 17:31:48 <daMaestro>    lol
Apr 22 17:32:04 <Southern_Gentlem>    i will gladly be a backup hub
Apr 22 17:32:04 <daMaestro>    Corwyn, +1
Apr 22 17:32:14 <daMaestro>    there is one issue with using my server
Apr 22 17:32:22 <daMaestro>    I can not grant anyone root access.
Apr 22 17:32:32 <Corwyn>    that's not an issue
Apr 22 17:32:41 <daMaestro>    ok
Apr 22 17:32:42 <Southern_Gentlem>    i dont see where that is a issue
Apr 22 17:32:59 <Sonar_Guy>    daMaestro: nor would I expect you, as long as one of us can connect and do an rsync backup.
Apr 22 17:33:05 <daMaestro>    I'm looking to buy a dedicated machine and get it colo'ed soon, then I can get unity a full VM.
Apr 22 17:33:15 <daMaestro>    yes, I will allow access to the backup LVM
Apr 22 17:33:26 <Corwyn>    daMaestro: get the info and get us a cost
Apr 22 17:33:53 <Southern_Gentlem>    at this point i would like to see at least 2-3 onsite backups
Apr 22 17:33:57 <Harley-D>    Southern_Gentlem: I can help with that testing
Apr 22 17:34:00 <Southern_Gentlem>    offsite rather
Apr 22 17:34:02 <daMaestro>    I just fixed up the LVM setup today, so basically there will be a 3-7 daily backup that unity members with ssh keys can rsync off the server
Apr 22 17:34:10 <daMaestro>    Southern_Gentlem, understood.
Apr 22 17:34:18 <Sonar_Guy>    so as I see it for this task we need to 1: Investigate the cost of the move.
Apr 22 17:34:22 <daMaestro>    Southern_Gentlem, I do one off site backup of my server... holds 7 days.
Apr 22 17:34:23 <Sonar_Gal>    daMaestro, +1
Apr 22 17:34:37 <Sonar_Guy>    2: Decide what needs to be moved.
Apr 22 17:34:51 <Sonar_Guy>    3: Implement a plan for the move and inform the community.
Apr 22 17:35:08 <Southern_Gentlem>    ?
Apr 22 17:35:09 <Sonar_Guy>    4: Establish the jigdo server and hubs.
Apr 22 17:35:16 <Melio>    what changes are beign made that won't be available on the new server
Apr 22 17:35:32 <daMaestro>    not a whole lost
Apr 22 17:35:36 <daMaestro>    lot*
Apr 22 17:35:50 <Southern_Gentlem>    if we do the move there shouldnt be really any issues for the user base
Apr 22 17:35:56 <Sonar_Guy>    5: Begin the migration at a scheduled date and time to be determined with item 3.
Apr 22 17:36:15 <daMaestro>    Sonar_Guy, 1 is not an issue
Apr 22 17:36:23 <Sonar_Guy>    ok
Apr 22 17:36:24 <daMaestro>    Sonar_Guy, unity can piggy back on my zope server ;-)
Apr 22 17:36:49 <Sonar_Guy>    ok, we will still have zmi access correct?
Apr 22 17:36:50 <daMaestro>    one of the things I want to get done before we move the sites is get squid rocking with my current zope server
Apr 22 17:36:51 <Southern_Gentlem>    we should be able to do the move without any community interuptions
Apr 22 17:37:01 <daMaestro>    yes, unity will have their own zope instance
Apr 22 17:37:05 <Sonar_Guy>    ok
Apr 22 17:37:13 <Corwyn>    daMaestro: you'll help me configure the dns entries needed on my dns servers, I have ns1 (master) and ns2 (slave)
Apr 22 17:37:22 <daMaestro>    it will actually be completely isolated from my zope stuff
Apr 22 17:37:36 <daMaestro>    Corwyn, sure.. you will just be setting up a slave dns system
Apr 22 17:37:37 <Melio>    daMaestro: how much :)
Apr 22 17:37:49 <Corwyn>    daMaestro: not a problem
Apr 22 17:38:00 <Sonar_Guy>    I was just laying out some bullets for Corwyn to put in the task.
Apr 22 17:38:10 <Corwyn>    they're added :)
Apr 22 17:38:51 <Sonar_Guy>    I will be in California for the Next meeting but should have no issues attending the next meeting.
Apr 22 17:39:09 <Sonar_Guy>    but the following sunday may be an issue depending on the time of the meeting.
Apr 22 17:39:27 <Sonar_Gal>    lol
Apr 22 17:39:27 <Southern_Gentlem>    tell us the time and we will work it out
Apr 22 17:39:47 <Melio>    can this be noted: jigdo windows executable should be included on the future site for non-fedora window users to access a link to download a client to get the unity cds
Apr 22 17:40:00 <Sonar_Guy>    any time after 4 pm cali time so 7pm est or later would be good for me.
Apr 22 17:40:16 <Southern_Gentlem>    Melio,  good point i meant to add that to the write up
Apr 22 17:40:32 <Sonar_Guy>    Melio: +1
Apr 22 17:40:40 <Sonar_Gal>    Melio, +1
Apr 22 17:40:49 <Corwyn>    Melio: +1
Apr 22 17:40:52 <Sonar_Guy>    sounds like an item for the task list to me!!
Apr 22 17:40:54 <daMaestro>    it was already there, Melio
Apr 22 17:40:58 <Southern_Gentlem>    Melio i will add that tommorrow
Apr 22 17:41:10 <daMaestro>    was someone able to save the jigdo howto?
Apr 22 17:41:26 <Southern_Gentlem>    the old one
Apr 22 17:41:42 <Sonar_Guy>    also daMaestro I will need some information from you on how to set up what is needed on my server to help serve out the new images.
Apr 22 17:42:00 <daMaestro>    well I had a link for the windows and osx download cleints
Apr 22 17:42:12 *    Southern_Gentlem hopes it works for scott
Apr 22 17:42:21 <Corwyn>    that'll be part of the Jigdo post once it's reposted
Apr 22 17:42:21 <daMaestro>    Sonar_Guy, well since we have this interruption in service .. I am going to change up what needs to be hosted
Apr 22 17:42:31 <Sonar_Guy>    ok
Apr 22 17:43:05 <daMaestro>    i am going to setup templates.fedoraunity.org that are just the templates.. and then downloadX.fedoraunity.org will be for the apache handler to track down rpms listed by the templates
Apr 22 17:43:21 <daMaestro>    for some reason Southern_Gentlem's apache threads keep segfaulting
Apr 22 17:43:24 <Corwyn>    daMaestro: +1
Apr 22 17:43:28 *    Sonar_Guy motions to close the meeting unless there is more that needs to be discussed.
Apr 22 17:43:55 <daMaestro>    !
Apr 22 17:44:11 <Sonar_Guy>    daMaestro: open floor
Apr 22 17:44:13 <daMaestro>    Who has access to the parent DNS servers (the registration)
Apr 22 17:44:24 <Sonar_Guy>    that would be Bob.
Apr 22 17:44:26 <daMaestro>    we will need to adjust those soon; I'd want to do the DNS switch over tonight
Apr 22 17:44:29 <daMaestro>    ok
Apr 22 17:44:30 <Corwyn>    you mean Netsol?
Apr 22 17:44:42 <Melio>    wouldnt it be a good idea to maintain a access document/control document
Apr 22 17:44:51 <Melio>    maintained by voted president
Apr 22 17:44:52 <Sonar_Guy>    Melio: +1
Apr 22 17:45:03 <Sonar_Guy>    but currently only Bob has access.
Apr 22 17:45:07 <Melio>    excuse my military mentality, but we don't lose nukes or planes
Apr 22 17:45:29 *    Corwyn bites tongue
Apr 22 17:45:33 <Melio>    :P
Apr 22 17:45:45 SirThomas sm|CPU Sonar_Gal Sonar_Guy Southern_Gentlem spot
Apr 22 17:45:45 <daMaestro>    all of these checks and balances will be much easier to manage with a NPO entity
Apr 22 17:45:45 SirThomas sm|CPU Sonar_Gal Sonar_Guy Southern_Gentlem spot
Apr 22 17:45:56 *    Corwyn seconds Sonar_Guy's motion to close
Apr 22 17:46:13 <daMaestro>    +1
Apr 22 17:46:17 <Corwyn>    +1
Apr 22 17:46:17 <Melio>    +1
Apr 22 17:46:27 *    Foolish (n=foolish@139.84-48-61.nextgentel.com) has joined #fedora-unity
Apr 22 17:46:42 *    Sonar_Gal now calls this meeting to a close.  Thanks to everyone who attended this weeks Unity meeting