Meeting Minutes for 1 April 2007

Apr 01 19:03:16 <Bob-Laptop>    <meeting>
Apr 01 19:03:20 <Bob-Laptop>    http://fedoraunity.org/fup/meeting-guidelines/
Apr 01 19:03:32 <Bob-Laptop>    http://fedoraunity.org/fup/task-list/
Apr 01 19:04:06 <Bob-Laptop>    Anyone have anything before we start?
Apr 01 19:04:26 <Southern_Gentlem>    make it quick please
Apr 01 19:04:45 <Bob-Laptop>    Item 1 done
Apr 01 19:05:09 <Bob-Laptop>    Item 2 # Setup Non-Profit Organization
Apr 01 19:05:09 <Bob-Laptop>        * DATE DUE: 2007-Apr-01
Apr 01 19:05:09 <Bob-Laptop>        * ASSIGNED: Unity-Leaders
Apr 01 19:05:09 <Bob-Laptop>              o NOTES: Get the papers filed for setting up a non-profit organization for Fedora Unity. Andrea is pulling the paperwork and documentation together for this with Bob. Even if filed now, not expected to be approved before 01-JAN-2007. Bob is working on hiring someone to get this done. Waiting on word from lawyer.
Apr 01 19:05:20 <Bob-Laptop>    No progress
Apr 01 19:05:30 <Bob-Laptop>    sorry been really busy
Apr 01 19:05:47 <Bob-Laptop>    Item 3 # Create new content type for templates, other plone related
Apr 01 19:05:47 <Bob-Laptop>        * DATE DUE: 2007-Apr-01
Apr 01 19:05:47 <Bob-Laptop>        * ASSIGNED: Server-Team
Apr 01 19:05:47 <Bob-Laptop>              o NOTES: Jon is working on this. Include Develop Unity workflow and state change notification. Edit Team needs to work with Server-Team to get this completed. updated the unity team tracker to include any notes Jon has. http://bugs.fedoraunity.org/unity-team-tasks/7 and http://bugs.fedoraunity.org/unity-team-tasks/2
Apr 01 19:05:48 <Bob-Laptop>              o Further work needed, this is approved by the teams.
Apr 01 19:05:48 <daMaestro>    !
Apr 01 19:06:05 *    Bob-Laptop gives the floor to daMaestro
Apr 01 19:07:00 <daMaestro>    I think I will be able to get to this next weekend, if not earlier. We really need to test it very, very well before it goes on all the sites. A workflow screwup ... is .. ummm... no fun as I have just found out with my Blog. Quills 1.5rc3 has some workflow issues... and let's just say i don't have a blogging section anymore. EOF
Apr 01 19:07:22 <Bob-Laptop>    Thanks JOn
Apr 01 19:07:29 <daMaestro>    Oh, I think BobJensen suggested we try on fedoraunity.org first.. not sure if this is still the case.
Apr 01 19:07:49 <Bob-Laptop>    if there is anything we can do to help and test let us know
Apr 01 19:08:02 <daMaestro>    We might setup breakme.fedoraunity.org as a clone of fedorasolved.org.. or something
Apr 01 19:08:08 <Bob-Laptop>    daMaestro: maybe 64 would be better
Apr 01 19:08:08 <daMaestro>    Will do.
Apr 01 19:08:28 <Bob-Laptop>    sure, do what you thinkis best
Apr 01 19:08:34 <daMaestro>    Well, it would be a clone.. so I think the more content the better but yeah, that can be worked out.
Apr 01 19:09:12 <Bob-Laptop>    Item 4 has no progress as we have been fighting respins
Apr 01 19:09:20 <Bob-Laptop>    Item 5 is backups
Apr 01 19:09:47 <Bob-Laptop>    any updates on the secondary items?
Apr 01 19:09:53 <daMaestro>    No Progress for all Pri2 items, sorry.
Apr 01 19:10:10 <Bob-Laptop>    No problem you have had your hands full and then some
Apr 01 19:10:23 <Bob-Laptop>    Any other business?
Apr 01 19:10:27 <Corwyn>    !
Apr 01 19:10:34 <Bob-Laptop>    Corwyn: GA
Apr 01 19:10:39 <daMaestro>    We need a vote on what to do about the Re-Spins.
Apr 01 19:10:45 <daMaestro>    Oh, sorry Corwyn .
Apr 01 19:11:51 *    Bob-Laptop shows the door to Corwyn
Apr 01 19:11:52 <Corwyn>    I sent out a list of all the posts/urls for all our sites to the Content Team list, anyone wishing to help, please take the time to go through posts, and send me and/or Southern_Gentlem your opinions on removal, or cannabilzation
Apr 01 19:11:59 <Corwyn>    eof
Apr 01 19:12:04 <daMaestro>    Will do.
Apr 01 19:12:14 <daMaestro>    OK, per the Re-Spin.. Bob-Laptop may I call a vote?
Apr 01 19:12:19 <Bob-Laptop>    Sure, thanks Steve
Apr 01 19:12:21 <Southern_Gentlem>    i will take a look at it tommorrow
Apr 01 19:12:36 <Bob-Laptop>    OK re-spins have issues
Apr 01 19:12:44 *    silas_ has quit ("Leaving.")
Apr 01 19:12:47 <Bob-Laptop>    we have 4 options IMO
Apr 01 19:12:54 <Bob-Laptop>    daMaestro: GA
Apr 01 19:13:17 <daMaestro>    OK, please indicate your prefered action... as Bob-Laptop has said, there are pretty much 4 options.
Apr 01 19:13:23 <daMaestro>    1) Not Re-Spin FC6
Apr 01 19:13:26 *    fedorared (n=john@fedora/fedorared) has joined #fedora-unity
Apr 01 19:13:31 <daMaestro>    2) Re-Spin with the 2.6.18 kernel
Apr 01 19:13:48 <daMaestro>    3) Re-Spin with the 2.6.20 kernel and note networking does NOT work
Apr 01 19:14:25 <daMaestro>    4) Re-Spin with a 2.6.18 kernel on image, but have 2.6.20 in tree. The Re-Spin will boot 2.6.18.. but install 2.6.20. This will require changes to pungi.
Apr 01 19:14:30 <daMaestro>    I guess there is 5.
Apr 01 19:15:12 <daMaestro>    5) Do two options between, 2.6.18 onmedia/tree, 2.6.20 onmedia/tree and/or 2.6.18 onmedia and 2.6.20 in tree.
Apr 01 19:15:48 <Bob-Laptop>    I have an addition to #1
Apr 01 19:16:01 <Bob-Laptop>    Or change maybe
Apr 01 19:16:36 <Corwyn>    +1 for option 1 (reason, we can then expend our resources better to getting what we have pending done, then can go back to re-spins once f7 is released)
Apr 01 19:16:41 <Southern_Gentlem>    !
Apr 01 19:17:06 <Bob-Laptop>    #1 Stop spinning FC6 at this time, focus on developing revisor for F7, check the treee every couple weeks to see if it heals itself
Apr 01 19:17:23 <kanarip>    !!
Apr 01 19:17:27 <Bob-Laptop>    Southern_Gentlem: GA
Apr 01 19:17:28 <daMaestro>    I would never expect the tree to "heal".
Apr 01 19:17:40 <Bob-Laptop>    daMaestro: I agree with you
Apr 01 19:18:02 <Bob-Laptop>    daMaestro: but it is better to check and be wrong about that then not knoing
Apr 01 19:18:15 <Southern_Gentlem>    at this point if we can try #4 if it works fine, if not no respin
Apr 01 19:18:35 <Bob-Laptop>    I do not like #4 at all
Apr 01 19:18:48 <daMaestro>    i don't understand why
Apr 01 19:18:52 <Bob-Laptop>    I do not want to spend time hacking pungi
Apr 01 19:18:58 <kanarip>    +1
Apr 01 19:19:05 <Southern_Gentlem>    i agree there
Apr 01 19:19:34 <Southern_Gentlem>    where we able to retry iso-build or whatever it was called
Apr 01 19:19:41 <Southern_Gentlem>    eof
Apr 01 19:19:42 <Bob-Laptop>    if we have to hack pungi to make it work our resourcres are better spent elsewhere
Apr 01 19:19:48 <daMaestro>    There are going to be more then just this example when updates have moved so far away from anaconda it will stop working
Apr 01 19:20:00 <kanarip>    daMaestro, so devel on revisor
Apr 01 19:20:18 <daMaestro>    Yes, the changes would be part of revisor.
Apr 01 19:20:39 <kanarip>    so no hacking on pungi
Apr 01 19:20:55 <daMaestro>    Per a discussion kanarip and I had, we think it would be good to allow revisor consumers to specify which versions of packages they want
Apr 01 19:21:09 <daMaestro>    or at least "require" certain versions to go on image.
Apr 01 19:21:17 <daMaestro>    The main special case is the kernel.
Apr 01 19:21:41 <daMaestro>    I have not looked at how much work #4 is.
Apr 01 19:21:50 <daMaestro>    I am planning to at least look.
Apr 01 19:22:19 <kanarip>    it's not that hard, pause pungi after getting in all packages and add whatever
Apr 01 19:22:19 <Bob-Laptop>    I vote for #1 with the wording I used at this time
Apr 01 19:22:36 <kanarip>    #1 the way bob defined it
Apr 01 19:22:36 <daMaestro>    I fear the stage that rips the kernel out and puts it where it needs to be is an anaconda function.. and I wasted a full day hacking about the anaconda code trying to find where networking was failing, and found it.. but could not fix it.
Apr 01 19:23:01 <daMaestro>    kanarip, You miss where the kernel needs to go.
Apr 01 19:23:16 <kanarip>    no i don't, you know i know all that code
Apr 01 19:23:34 *    Em has quit ("Leaving")
Apr 01 19:23:43 <daMaestro>    kanarip, If you are saying pause pungi after getting all the packages, it seems you missunderstand what I want to do.
Apr 01 19:23:51 <daMaestro>    but anyways, we can work on that later, if we go that route.
Apr 01 19:23:53 <kanarip>    pause pungi after linking in all pkgs, add it, do the createrepo, pause it, remove the kernel, let buildinstall do it's thing, then readd it
Apr 01 19:24:28 <daMaestro>    My vote is for #5.
Apr 01 19:24:53 <daMaestro>    Do one image that is 2.6.20, and one image that is 2.6.18... and if possible have 2.6.20 in tree.
Apr 01 19:25:15 <daMaestro>    If the whole issue is wasting time with pungi, then just do a 2.6.18 spin that has networking and a 2.6.20 spin that doesn't.
Apr 01 19:25:20 <Bob-Laptop>    Corwyn Southern_Gentlem  votes please
Apr 01 19:25:25 <Harley-D>    !
Apr 01 19:25:26 <daMaestro>    Release both jigdo only.
Apr 01 19:25:32 <daMaestro>    Harley-D, Go ahead.
Apr 01 19:25:36 <Harley-D>    vote 5
Apr 01 19:25:37 <Bob-Laptop>    Harley-D: GA
Apr 01 19:25:39 <Southern_Gentlem>    ?
Apr 01 19:25:41 <Corwyn>    I already did
Apr 01 19:25:56 <Bob-Laptop>    Corwyn: was makign sure you did not want to change
Apr 01 19:26:07 <Southern_Gentlem>    have we attempted a build-iso yet
Apr 01 19:26:07 <Corwyn>    I would have if I had wanted to :)
Apr 01 19:26:15 <Bob-Laptop>    LOL
Apr 01 19:26:20 <Bob-Laptop>    Southern_Gentlem: no we have not
Apr 01 19:26:41 <Bob-Laptop>    Southern_Gentlem: the results would be as we have seen we are 99% sure
Apr 01 19:26:49 <Southern_Gentlem>    ok
Apr 01 19:27:00 <daMaestro>    Really, i hacked on anaconda for a *while*
Apr 01 19:27:08 <Southern_Gentlem>    so of the 5 options put forth i vote for #1
Apr 01 19:27:19 <kanarip>    Southern_Gentlem, as far as these issues are concerned, pungi is the python version of iso-build
Apr 01 19:27:28 <Bob-Laptop>    OK that is 3 votes for #1, 2 Votes for #5
Apr 01 19:27:37 <daMaestro>    the interface never is activated... and thus networking failes.. or even if it *is* activated... the detection methods used are reporting it as not active.
Apr 01 19:27:53 <Corwyn>    with F7 so close to release, and the issues we're having with the FC6 re-spin, I think it's wiser to place it on hold until F7 releases and expend our resources to those things we have pending, get them completed and off the board.
Apr 01 19:28:28 <daMaestro>    Does anyone else have a vote?
Apr 01 19:28:35 <Bob-Laptop>    I am willing to suggest that we give daMaestro until Tuesday at this time to get ISOs out
Apr 01 19:28:37 <daMaestro>    Anyone is welcome to put forth their $0.02
Apr 01 19:28:57 <daMaestro>    I can get 2.6.18 and 2.6.20 out no problem.
Apr 01 19:29:09 <Southern_Gentlem>    i think this week
Apr 01 19:29:10 <daMaestro>    The only thing that might take some time is 2.6.18 with 2.6.20 in tree.
Apr 01 19:29:22 <Bob-Laptop>    if we can not get "working" ISOs by that time we kill re-spins at this time
Apr 01 19:29:24 <daMaestro>    I could have 2.6.18 and 2.6.20 spins done tonight.
Apr 01 19:29:36 <daMaestro>    They do "work".
Apr 01 19:30:00 <daMaestro>    2.6.18 and 2.6.20 "work".. but 2.6.20 has no networking support.
Apr 01 19:30:00 <kanarip>    daMaestro, if that's option #5 now, you have my vote
Apr 01 19:30:52 <Corwyn>    I'm only concerned about what is practical at this point in time, F7 is due out very soon, and this is of little benefit to anyone at this point in time
Apr 01 19:31:14 <daMaestro>    Ok, well here is the question then. Do we bail on PPC since something is b0rked with FC6 pungi? Do we port back the fix from F7 pungi?
Apr 01 19:31:14 <Southern_Gentlem>    Corwyn,  we have a tie
Apr 01 19:31:28 <daMaestro>    F7 is still 2 months away.
Apr 01 19:31:28 <Bob-Laptop>    I want spins out the door via jigdo on wednesday morning at the latest if they are not ready then I say we kill them and stop devoting resources to FC6
Apr 01 19:32:03 <Bob-Laptop>    Southern_Gentlem: no kanarip changed from #1 to #5 so the vote has swung
Apr 01 19:32:16 <daMaestro>    Well... the real question sounds like are we doing PPC Re-Spins?"
Apr 01 19:32:22 <Bob-Laptop>    we can not
Apr 01 19:32:40 <Bob-Laptop>    pungi for FC6 on PPC is busted
Apr 01 19:32:40 <daMaestro>    Well, we could... but we would need to backport the F7 pungi fix.
Apr 01 19:32:45 <Southern_Gentlem>    and announce on the website the what the problems with the respins are and why we are not continueing
Apr 01 19:32:55 <Bob-Laptop>    right no hacking pungi out selves
Apr 01 19:33:00 <Bob-Laptop>    eeerrrr
Apr 01 19:33:04 <Bob-Laptop>    right no hacking pungi ourselves
Apr 01 19:33:05 *    kanarip votes against any hacking to pungi
Apr 01 19:33:11 <daMaestro>    Well we already have.... lol.
Apr 01 19:33:17 <kanarip>    no we didn't ;-)
Apr 01 19:33:17 <daMaestro>    but.... anyways!
Apr 01 19:33:18 <daMaestro>    lol
Apr 01 19:33:27 <daMaestro>    http://dev.damaestro.us/pungi.patch
Apr 01 19:33:33 <daMaestro>    We are actively using that.
Apr 01 19:33:40 <Bob-Laptop>    OK I am calling this t a close
Apr 01 19:33:46 <kanarip>    ah, <= 1.0.2
Apr 01 19:33:52 *    Corwyn seconds close
Apr 01 19:33:52 <daMaestro>    kanarip, lol
Apr 01 19:34:00 <daMaestro>    Ok, so what is the result?
Apr 01 19:34:07 <kanarip>    > 1.0.2 doesn't hack on pungi
Apr 01 19:34:13 <Bob-Laptop>    the rule is re-spins by this time tuesday or we kill them
Apr 01 19:34:54 <Bob-Laptop>    we go with a 2.6.18 and a 2.6.20 spin w/o networking
Apr 01 19:35:11 <Bob-Laptop>    no pungi hacking
Apr 01 19:35:44 <daMaestro>    No PPC?
Apr 01 19:35:48 <Bob-Laptop>    We announce them on Wednesday about this time and distribute via jigdo only
Apr 01 19:35:56 <Bob-Laptop>    no PPC
Apr 01 19:36:09 <Southern_Gentlem>    for testing or for release
Apr 01 19:36:16 <kanarip>    for release, i guess
Apr 01 19:36:21 <Bob-Laptop>    if we have a large outcry about no BT we deal with it later
Apr 01 19:36:21 <kanarip>    and i hope so
Apr 01 19:36:27 <Bob-Laptop>    release
Apr 01 19:36:58 <Bob-Laptop>    this is what we have has had some testing but are essentially "untested"
Apr 01 19:36:58 <Southern_Gentlem>    i disagree
Apr 01 19:37:25 <Southern_Gentlem>    i say no release than attempted this
Apr 01 19:37:30 <Bob-Laptop>    they have had enough testing we know what the issues are
Apr 01 19:38:16 <Southern_Gentlem>    i think one bad respin is much worse than no respins as far as our community standing goes
Apr 01 19:38:18 <Bob-Laptop>    the tree has changed very little from the trees we tested the ast two weeks
Apr 01 19:38:54 <kanarip>    there was a yum update though
Apr 01 19:39:02 <Bob-Laptop>    true
Apr 01 19:39:03 <daMaestro>    yes, there is
Apr 01 19:39:08 <kanarip>    it broke a hack i did
Apr 01 19:39:14 <kanarip>    that's why i noticed
Apr 01 19:39:34 <Bob-Laptop>    OK how about we test as much as we can and announce on Friday?
Apr 01 19:39:48 <daMaestro>    blah, announce tomorrow if they install
Apr 01 19:39:50 <daMaestro>    lol
Apr 01 19:40:01 <Southern_Gentlem>    unless i borked then kill it
Apr 01 19:40:04 <kanarip>    i don't think these packages are gonna break anything, but i'll follow the test-team lead on this
Apr 01 19:40:05 <Southern_Gentlem>    it
Apr 01 19:40:46 <kanarip>    i think that once the jigdo file are out there, there's no real way to kill it, is there?
Apr 01 19:40:54 <Bob-Laptop>    kanarip: right
Apr 01 19:41:14 <Bob-Laptop>    OK ship on Friday
Apr 01 19:41:30 <Bob-Laptop>    get the images done by tuesday
Apr 01 19:41:38 <Bob-Laptop>    DONE!
Apr 01 19:41:42 <kanarip>    he can get the images done tonight he said
Apr 01 19:41:43 <Bob-Laptop>    </meeting>