Meeting Minutes for 5 September 2006

Sep 05 19:04:39 *    Sonar_Gal now calls this meeting to order.
Sep 05 19:04:54 Sonar_Gal    tasklist for tonight  http://fedoraunity.org/meeting-information/task-list/
Sep 05 19:04:56 corwyn    no biggy
Sep 05 19:05:05 Sonar_Gal    1.  # Document our testing process to include step by step procedures for testing DVD and CD ISOs, this document will also cover all arch types i386, x86_64, and PPC. This is not going to be an easy task and was started by Jeroen van Meeuwen, a rough draft of this is to be presented at the 13 August 2006 meeting for the meeting members to review and comment on the progress.
Sep 05 19:05:05 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-SEP-03
Sep 05 19:05:05 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Testing Team Lead and Jeroen van Meeuwen
Sep 05 19:05:05 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES:  1st rough draft has been completed. Further cleanup/editting required. Tabled until 2006-Aug-20
Sep 05 19:05:56 BobJensen-Away    !
Sep 05 19:06:03 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen-Away the floor.
Sep 05 19:06:33 BobJensen-Away    I have not had a chance to hook up with kanarip about this task yet I am sure we can get things done this week
Sep 05 19:06:42 BobJensen-Away    EOM
Sep 05 19:06:42 Sonar_Guy    +1
Sep 05 19:06:46 Sonar_Guy    !
Sep 05 19:06:54 *    Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Sep 05 19:07:16 BobJensen-Away    !
Sep 05 19:07:20 Sonar_Guy    Recommend we move the date to middle of September due to the work on live-spins and re-spin releases.
Sep 05 19:07:21 Sonar_Guy    EOF
Sep 05 19:07:34 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen-Away the floor.
Sep 05 19:07:44 corwyn    +1
Sep 05 19:08:18 BobJensen-Away    there is a related item that Jon and I have talked about also that is related, a script for testing and providing reports for our tests
Sep 05 19:08:18 BobJensen-Away    I think this sould be part of this task
Sep 05 19:08:22 BobJensen-Away    EOF
Sep 05 19:08:34 corwyn    !
Sep 05 19:08:44 *    Sonar_Gal gives corwyn the floor.
Sep 05 19:08:58 corwyn    recommend moving the due date to 17-09, if it's done before that all the better.
Sep 05 19:08:59 corwyn    eof
Sep 05 19:09:18 BobJensen-Away    +1
Sep 05 19:09:18 Sonar_Guy    +1
Sep 05 19:09:19 Sonar_Gal    +1
Sep 05 19:09:21 corwyn    done
Sep 05 19:09:23 autopsy    +1
Sep 05 19:09:26 Sonar_Guy    !
Sep 05 19:09:41 *    Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Sep 05 19:09:48 Sonar_Guy    Recommend adding the notes to the the task for the script for testing.
Sep 05 19:09:51 Sonar_Guy    EOF
Sep 05 19:10:12 Sonar_Guy    !
Sep 05 19:10:19 *    Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Sep 05 19:10:37 corwyn    done
Sep 05 19:11:29 Sonar_Guy    I will be transitioning positions at work over the next month to month and a half so I will be scarce, it is kinda a promotion with more work on our linux based projects, so I may be on more in the days and less on the evenings and weekends.
Sep 05 19:11:30 Sonar_Guy    EOF
Sep 05 19:12:13 Sonar_Gal    2. # Discuss adding a README to the ISO Directory that inclues Fedora Unity HOW-TOs on running SHA1SUM from Windows/Linux and Burning an ISO Image from both Windows/Linux. Both of these HOW-TOs also need to be added to FedoraSolved.Org
Sep 05 19:12:14 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-AUG-06
Sep 05 19:12:14 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Bob Jensen
Sep 05 19:12:14 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES: Bob Jensen to complete 20060706, then we will then have to re-torrent the data and have our seeds get the new torrent. Message to be sent on the Test-List notifying that seeds will have to redownload after the change. To be addressed in the next release. Still in progress. Document completed, waiting for next re-spin to be published to ISO.
Sep 05 19:12:17 BobJensen-Away    !
Sep 05 19:12:23 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen-Away the floor.
Sep 05 19:12:51 BobJensen-Away    This item is done, we have a good document in the Docs Project that we should be linking to we just have to get the links in place
Sep 05 19:13:09 BobJensen-Away    I think this item can be closed
Sep 05 19:13:14 BobJensen-Away    EOF
Sep 05 19:13:17 corwyn    +1
Sep 05 19:13:20 Sonar_Guy    +1
Sep 05 19:13:21 Sonar_Gal    +1
Sep 05 19:13:36 autopsy    +1
Sep 05 19:13:37 Sonar_Gal    3. # Discuss the translating of the various Fedora Unity sites to other Languages.
Sep 05 19:13:37 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-OCT/NOV
Sep 05 19:13:37 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Edit-Team
Sep 05 19:13:38 BobJensen-Away    !
Sep 05 19:13:53 Sonar_Gal    This Item has been tabled till Oct/Nov
Sep 05 19:13:56 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen-Away the floor.
Sep 05 19:14:00 BobJensen-Away    http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/BurningDiscs is the Link BTW
Sep 05 19:14:04 BobJensen-Away    EOF
Sep 05 19:14:16 Sonar_Guy    ?
Sep 05 19:14:21 *    Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Sep 05 19:14:55 Sonar_Guy    Can we get the link added to the torrent files so that there is no confusion and the link is present at the source?
Sep 05 19:14:59 Sonar_Guy    eof
Sep 05 19:15:07 BobJensen-Away    !
Sep 05 19:15:12 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen-Away the floor.
Sep 05 19:15:57 BobJensen-Away    Converting it to text is part of the next spin, it will be included as part of the readme files, we will also be adding the link to the torrent site
Sep 05 19:16:16 Sonar_Gal    +1
Sep 05 19:16:18 Sonar_Guy    +1
Sep 05 19:16:21 corwyn    +1
Sep 05 19:16:23 autopsy    +1
Sep 05 19:16:26 BobJensen-Away    I have some other items that we need to take care of house keepingwisen once we are done with the Pri 1 items
Sep 05 19:16:29 BobJensen-Away    EOF
Sep 05 19:16:53 Sonar_Gal    4.  # Next update to RESPIN ISOs of FC5.
Sep 05 19:16:53 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-AUG-20
Sep 05 19:16:53 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Re-Spin Team
Sep 05 19:16:53 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES: First Re-Spin release it out dated 2006-May-23, Next release for test is due 3rd week of June. Bob tested i386 and x86_64, both work, will shoot for a snapshot tuesday. To be fully completed 2006-AUG-25. Waiting to see if FC6 will still need respins. Waiting for new kernel to be released due to preliminary testing issues.
Sep 05 19:16:57 BobJensen-Away    !
Sep 05 19:17:03 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen-Away the floor.
Sep 05 19:17:24 BobJensen-Away    This task needs to have the note wiped and reworked I will do that before our next meeting
Sep 05 19:17:42 corwyn    !
Sep 05 19:17:46 BobJensen-Away    It talks about old releases and is confusing
Sep 05 19:18:12 BobJensen-Away    currently the task is complete but needs to be set up for the next spin cycle
Sep 05 19:18:16 *    Southern_Gentlem (n=notfred@unaffiliated/Southern-Gentlem) has joined #fedora-unity
Sep 05 19:18:17 BobJensen-Away    EOF
Sep 05 19:18:20 *    Sonar_Gal gives corwyn the floor.
Sep 05 19:18:39 corwyn    give me what you want posted and I'll be happy to replace it, I can do that tonight if you wish
Sep 05 19:18:40 corwyn    eof
Sep 05 19:18:53 Sonar_Guy    +1
Sep 05 19:18:58 autopsy    +1
Sep 05 19:19:02 BobJensen-Away    !
Sep 05 19:19:13 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen-Away the floor.
Sep 05 19:19:37 BobJensen-Away    I will need to think about the total task and make sure it becomes a simple date replace each month, I do not think I cna make it all happen tonight
Sep 05 19:19:40 BobJensen-Away    EOF
Sep 05 19:19:55 corwyn    !
Sep 05 19:20:02 *    Sonar_Gal gives corwyn the floor.
Sep 05 19:20:20 corwyn    ok, I've marked it completed and removed the notes, ready to be replaced as needed.
Sep 05 19:20:21 corwyn    eof
Sep 05 19:20:44 *    BobJensen-Away thanks corwyn
Sep 05 19:20:54 Sonar_Gal    5. # Test next release for Fedora Unity Re-Spins.
Sep 05 19:20:54 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-AUG-25
Sep 05 19:20:54 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Test-Lead
Sep 05 19:20:54 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES: All testing to be completed No later than 2006-AUG-25. Update the testing matrix as you complete a task on the list.
Sep 05 19:21:00 BobJensen-Away    !
Sep 05 19:21:11 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen-Away the floor.
Sep 05 19:21:15 corwyn    !
Sep 05 19:21:20 BobJensen-Away    Again this item is complete at this point until the next release cycle
Sep 05 19:21:50 BobJensen-Away    I would like to keep the "spin" and "test" tasks seperate
Sep 05 19:22:04 BobJensen-Away    as they impact different people
Sep 05 19:22:14 BobJensen-Away    thanks for all the help testing BTW
Sep 05 19:22:16 BobJensen-Away    EOF
Sep 05 19:22:24 *    Sonar_Gal gives corwyn the floor.
Sep 05 19:22:27 corwyn    done
Sep 05 19:22:34 corwyn    marked completed, notes removed
Sep 05 19:22:37 corwyn    eof
Sep 05 19:22:51 Sonar_Gal    6. # Spin out Test release LiveCDs. Spin out RAWHIDE LiveCDs. Automate RAWHIDE spins, spin Test LiveCD every Test release. The exact details are unknown at this time, however is an item in the Task List. This will help in aiding bug-smashers and other testers that do not wish to install a Test release or RAWHIDE, since they may be broken.. of course.
Sep 05 19:22:51 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-SEP-03
Sep 05 19:22:51 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Test-Lead
Sep 05 19:22:52 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES: Details are unavailable, will update when more info is gained. We have FC6T2 "Live-Spins" on the torrent now. FC5 "Live-Spin" still in development.
Sep 05 19:22:55 BobJensen-Away    !
Sep 05 19:22:57 autopsy    !
Sep 05 19:23:03 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen-Away the floor.
Sep 05 19:23:54 BobJensen-Away    OK we have Live-Spins out int he wild, we have a few open bugs that autopsy and I think we can close once we spin out the frozen FC6T2 disks tomorrow
Sep 05 19:24:33 BobJensen-Away    We have kadischi in rapid development so things change quickly and progress is being made
Sep 05 19:24:53 BobJensen-Away    autopsy has been doing great work and deserves and "attaboy"
Sep 05 19:24:57 Sonar_Guy    +1
Sep 05 19:24:58 BobJensen-Away    EOF
Sep 05 19:25:02 *    Sonar_Gal gives autopsy the floor.
Sep 05 19:25:52 corwyn    +1
Sep 05 19:26:04 Sonar_Gal    +1
Sep 05 19:26:17 autopsy    The frozen FC6T2 would be considered RAWHIDE spins. This known, we lack an x86_64 LiveCD and LiveDVD spin. Tomorrow I'd like to whack all 4 bugs on the LiveSpin bug tracker with a RAWHIDE spin, CD and DVD. That makes 4 images we are short on for this task.
Sep 05 19:26:39 autopsy    6 if we count FC5.
Sep 05 19:26:48 autopsy    EOF
Sep 05 19:26:50 BobJensen-Away    !
Sep 05 19:27:00 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen-Away the floor.
Sep 05 19:27:22 BobJensen-Away    Do we keep the pristine FC6T2 images out there or pull them once we push rawhide?
Sep 05 19:27:25 BobJensen-Away    EOF
Sep 05 19:27:31 autopsy    !
Sep 05 19:27:36 *    Sonar_Gal gives autopsy the floor.
Sep 05 19:28:04 Southern_Gentlem    !
Sep 05 19:28:24 autopsy    We would drop the torrent I would think, unless we should leave it open for people who aren't having problems or filed bugs, then the RAWHIDE spin would be simply for the bug tracker bug reporters, and anyone else who wants it.
Sep 05 19:28:25 autopsy    EOF
Sep 05 19:28:29 *    Sonar_Gal gives Southern_Gentlem the floor.
Sep 05 19:28:38 Southern_Gentlem    i say as with all releases we pull the old one eof
Sep 05 19:28:50 BobJensen-Away    !
Sep 05 19:28:55 *    Sonar_Gal gives bob the floor.
Sep 05 19:28:56 BobJensen-Away    My thining is they become obsolite
Sep 05 19:29:07 BobJensen-Away    I think we all agree then
Sep 05 19:29:11 BobJensen-Away    EOF
Sep 05 19:29:13 autopsy    !
Sep 05 19:29:22 *    Sonar_Gal gives autopsy the floor.
Sep 05 19:29:59 autopsy    Ok then, RAWHIDE it is, if we can we should get out two x86_64 spins also while we are at it. CD and DVD of RAWHIDE.
Sep 05 19:30:21 autopsy    That makes 4 we need, CD and DVD of x86_64 and 32 bit platform RAWHIDE.
Sep 05 19:30:22 autopsy    EOF
Sep 05 19:31:07 autopsy    !
Sep 05 19:31:15 *    Sonar_Gal gives autopsy the floor.
Sep 05 19:31:48 Southern_Gentlem    ?
Sep 05 19:31:56 autopsy    We will productively skip a "Test 3" release for any spins that are RAWHIDE, thus we will stay in sync. Please tell me which discs we are doing tomorrow.
Sep 05 19:31:57 autopsy    EOF
Sep 05 19:32:03 *    Sonar_Gal gives Southern_Gentlem the floor.
Sep 05 19:32:06 Southern_Gentlem    rawhide is fc6t2?
Sep 05 19:32:09 Southern_Gentlem    eof
Sep 05 19:32:12 BobJensen-Away    !
Sep 05 19:32:17 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen-Away the floor.
Sep 05 19:32:38 BobJensen-Away    we will be spinning what I think of as FC6T2 Plus
Sep 05 19:32:54 BobJensen-Away    so as of tonight the rawhide state
Sep 05 19:32:57 BobJensen-Away    EOF
Sep 05 19:33:04 autopsy    +1
Sep 05 19:33:10 Sonar_Gal    +1
Sep 05 19:33:13 Sonar_Guy    +1
Sep 05 19:33:15 corwyn    +1
Sep 05 19:33:22 Sonar_Gal    7. # Create back-up of the servers Unity01, Unity02, and Unity03 every sunday after the meeting. Also create a backup prior to any major configuration change.
Sep 05 19:33:22 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: On-Going
Sep 05 19:33:22 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Bob Jensen
Sep 05 19:33:23 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES: Backup, Backup, Backup!!
Sep 05 19:33:25 BobJensen-Away    !
Sep 05 19:33:32 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen-Away the floor.
Sep 05 19:34:01 BobJensen-Away    UNity01 was smnapshoted before we applied updates today will snapshot again tonight all three VMs
Sep 05 19:34:22 Sonar_Gal    +1
Sep 05 19:34:23 BobJensen-Away    May I EOF this item and have the floor for a couple minutes?
Sep 05 19:34:39 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen-Away the floor.
Sep 05 19:35:05 BobJensen-Away    OK We have set up our Bug Tracker and Mailing lists however they are missing form our sites
Sep 05 19:35:16 BobJensen-Away    s/from/from
Sep 05 19:35:22 BobJensen-Away    Grrr
Sep 05 19:35:26 BobJensen-Away    You get it
Sep 05 19:35:45 BobJensen-Away    We need to get these navigation items added to our sites so people can use them
Sep 05 19:36:04 Sonar_Guy    !
Sep 05 19:36:31 BobJensen-Away    also us founders have talked int he last weeka botu getting a "donations" button set up, is this an item we should create a task for?
Sep 05 19:36:54 BobJensen-Away    I have another item...Oh yeah
Sep 05 19:37:27 BobJensen-Away    talking with Max and Will last week we may be getting a place to do our builds
Sep 05 19:37:51 BobJensen-Away    but IMO we still need to raise some $$ to get a development box going
Sep 05 19:38:19 BobJensen-Away    this will be hosted by a friend of mine on a T1 so w can get the data off easier for testing
Sep 05 19:39:02 BobJensen-Away    We will have to just be patient for the FP to get us a place to work so things are easier in the end
Sep 05 19:39:04 BobJensen-Away    EOF
Sep 05 19:39:11 *    Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Sep 05 19:39:30 Sonar_Guy    The bug tracker has been added to each and every site, the only thing missing is the Mailing Lists.
Sep 05 19:39:32 Sonar_Guy    EOF
Sep 05 19:39:37 BobJensen-Away    !
Sep 05 19:39:43 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen-Away the floor.
Sep 05 19:39:52 BobJensen-Away    OK thanks Scott I overlooked that
Sep 05 19:39:54 BobJensen-Away    EOF
Sep 05 19:40:31 BobJensen-Away    !
Sep 05 19:40:37 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen-Away the floor.
Sep 05 19:40:47 BobJensen-Away    Also we have three domains expiring in November
Sep 05 19:40:55 BobJensen-Away    so we will need funds for that
Sep 05 19:40:57 BobJensen-Away    EOF
Sep 05 19:41:06 Southern_Gentlem    how much
Sep 05 19:41:29 BobJensen-Away    !
Sep 05 19:41:42 Sonar_Gal    Floor is open for discussion.
Sep 05 19:41:47 BobJensen-Away    Depends on how long we renew them for
Sep 05 19:42:07 Southern_Gentlem    pricing for 1 year 3 and 5
Sep 05 19:42:27 corwyn    although overall it tends to be more expensive, perhaps, at least for now, we should go 1 year at a time, just my opinion
Sep 05 19:42:38 BobJensen-Away    34.99 per year, 29.99 per year for 2 years, 24.99 per year for 3 years or more up to 9
Sep 05 19:43:06 BobJensen-Away    14.99 per year for 9 years
Sep 05 19:43:26 Sonar_Gal    I know it was around 70 for 3 years for search.
Sep 05 19:43:29 autopsy    We need a donations buttons.. you'd be surprised at how many folks do want to contribute..
Sep 05 19:43:40 autopsy    You need to make that happen and available.
Sep 05 19:43:51 autopsy    That should be proprity something close to the top.
Sep 05 19:44:06 Sonar_Gal    yes the problem is there can only be 1 checking savings account tied to each Paypal
Sep 05 19:44:07 autopsy    With domains expiring and needing build servers for dev, we need donations.
Sep 05 19:44:08 BobJensen-Away    autopsy: right I agree
Sep 05 19:44:32 corwyn    only concern about that and Paypal, I remember reading somewhere recently about then being more critical of who and what they'll allow the use of donation buttons for
Sep 05 19:44:57 corwyn    s/then/them
Sep 05 19:45:01 BobJensen-Away    there are other options than paypal
Sep 05 19:45:11 Sonar_Gal    None really trusted
Sep 05 19:45:27 BobJensen-Away    ther is 2checkout.com that is really easy to work with
Sep 05 19:45:47 corwyn    if we're going to do it, just make sure we have all our ducks in a row, incase we have to make a case for it with them, otherwise, Paypal is probably the best choice
Sep 05 19:45:58 BobJensen-Away    not near as popular as paypal but also you don't need a paypal account to do business with them/us then either
Sep 05 19:46:15 autopsy    Exactly.
Sep 05 19:46:32 Sonar_Guy    We need to nominate a treasurer then!!
Sep 05 19:46:53 BobJensen-Away    the thing I hate about paypal is you have to have a paypal account to do business with them, you cna just say "here process my CC"
Sep 05 19:47:14 autopsy    Yeah.
Sep 05 19:47:15 BobJensen-Away    s/cna/can't
Sep 05 19:47:18 *    corwyn nominates Sonar_Gal
Sep 05 19:47:29 *    BobJensen-Away seconds that
Sep 05 19:47:32 Sonar_Gal    Bob I have never had a problem with Paypal though and I have had my account with them for 8 years
Sep 05 19:47:49 BobJensen-Away    Sonar_Gal: yes and many do hav paypal
Sep 05 19:48:08 Sonar_Guy    No I believe that this needs to be sombody that is independent of the current mangement tree.
Sep 05 19:48:09 corwyn    it's the best known site for such things
Sep 05 19:48:09 Sonar_Gal    most do since Ebay now owns Paypal
Sep 05 19:48:13 BobJensen-Away    I am not saying that they are bad, just from my pov they are less than perfect
Sep 05 19:49:25 BobJensen-Away    Sonar_Guy: the only person that has been acive enough for long enough outside of that tree is corwyn
Sep 05 19:49:26 autopsy    I have Paypal.
Sep 05 19:49:36 corwyn    having been treasurer for other non-profit organizations in the past, we have some things to consider...
Sep 05 19:49:41 Southern_Gentlem    well anyone that processing the credit card transactions will charge us a fee to do it as well
Sep 05 19:49:49 Sonar_Gal    If you Guys want me to do this the thing is I will need to open a seperate checking/savings account since ours it tied to my account.
Sep 05 19:49:56 *    daMaestro (n=jon@fedora/damaestro) has joined #fedora-unity
Sep 05 19:50:08 corwyn    first, we have to still be an incorporated entity, there are tax issues involved, even though we're non-profit
Sep 05 19:50:20 Sonar_Guy    +1
Sep 05 19:50:21 Sonar_Gal    +1
Sep 05 19:50:22 corwyn    second, we need to have a separate bank account for this
Sep 05 19:50:24 BobJensen-Away    +1
Sep 05 19:50:29 BobJensen-Away    +1
Sep 05 19:50:43 Sonar_Gal    +1  I said that already
Sep 05 19:50:50 BobJensen-Away    we need ot have a formal board of directors
Sep 05 19:50:59 corwyn    sorry gal, you typed while I typed :)
Sep 05 19:51:01 BobJensen-Away    to be inc.
Sep 05 19:51:03 Sonar_Gal    hehe
Sep 05 19:51:09 corwyn    Bob, that goes without saying :)
Sep 05 19:51:12 Sonar_Gal    That's because great minds think alike
Sep 05 19:51:18 corwyn    and yes, you're right
Sep 05 19:51:31 BobJensen-Away    Lots of paper work
Sep 05 19:51:35 Sonar_Guy    So As I see it we need to set up a task to estables the Corp.  Then once that is established we need to go forth from there.
Sep 05 19:51:39 corwyn    unfortunately, yes
Sep 05 19:51:46 Southern_Gentlem    board if directors bylaws depending on the state we incorporate in and file for 503 c as a non profit corporation with the irs which will take time
Sep 05 19:51:48 autopsy    I agree.
Sep 05 19:51:54 BobJensen-Away    corwyn: is it worth the touble?
Sep 05 19:51:55 Sonar_Guy    s/estables/establish
Sep 05 19:52:03 corwyn    that's the question, Bob
Sep 05 19:52:21 corwyn    the only other choice is to have someone that we all trust to keep the money
Sep 05 19:52:32 Sonar_Guy    With out it we are not abiding by the tax laws.
Sep 05 19:52:35 corwyn    but if the IRS comes looking, someone's gonna be held accountable
Sep 05 19:52:55 corwyn    we don't want an individual going to jail or losing everything they've worked for
Sep 05 19:53:04 Sonar_Guy    +1
Sep 05 19:53:08 autopsy    corwyn, you're building a scenario that doesn't exist, please.
Sep 05 19:53:10 BobJensen-Away    I agree
Sep 05 19:53:14 corwyn    Paypal being high profile also is watched
Sep 05 19:53:27 autopsy    All we need to do is the paperwork, file in some state and let the process begin.
Sep 05 19:53:53 BobJensen-Away    corwyn: can you do the paperwork?
Sep 05 19:53:55 corwyn    it's not that hard to do, it's just gotta be done
Sep 05 19:53:59 corwyn    I've never done it
Sep 05 19:54:12 autopsy    I'll do it.
Sep 05 19:54:19 BobJensen-Away    I have not either, my LUG looke din to it and it was not worth the effort
Sep 05 19:54:19 autopsy    Where do I sign, who do I call?
Sep 05 19:54:29 corwyn    once we have it done, I can get a bank account setup
Sep 05 19:54:38 corwyn    that's the easy part
Sep 05 19:54:48 autopsy    I need a 503 C right?
Sep 05 19:54:51 autopsy    From who?
Sep 05 19:55:00 Southern_Gentlem    i am in the middle of it for another group i am involed with
Sep 05 19:55:02 autopsy    The IRS?
Sep 05 19:55:04 BobJensen-Away    autopsy: most states you talk to the attorny general's office I think
Sep 05 19:55:06 Southern_Gentlem    yep
Sep 05 19:55:11 autopsy    I see.
Sep 05 19:55:17 Sonar_Guy    Minimum of $500 dollars in startup.
Sep 05 19:55:24 Southern_Gentlem    in virginia you talk to the state corporation commission
Sep 05 19:55:26 BobJensen-Away    start at the state level and work your way up
Sep 05 19:55:27 autopsy    I can do it, how much does it costs initially for paperwork?
Sep 05 19:55:30 corwyn    http://www.form-a-corp.com/non-profits_QA.php
Sep 05 19:55:48 corwyn    we can all poney up if needed to get things rolling
Sep 05 19:55:49 Southern_Gentlem    in 150 initial files is 150
Sep 05 19:55:58 Southern_Gentlem    virginia
Sep 05 19:56:03 autopsy    I have $30 right now I can donate.
Sep 05 19:56:14 corwyn    I can donate $50
Sep 05 19:56:33 BobJensen-Away    Lets all take a look at what it takes in our state and see where it is cheapest I think
Sep 05 19:57:01 BobJensen-Away    We have AL, MN, ID, VA and CO
Sep 05 19:57:12 Sonar_Guy    Keep in mind it must be nation wide, not limited to one state.
Sep 05 19:57:19 corwyn    not sure about nonb-profits, but delaware is typically where corps like to be
Sep 05 19:57:19 autopsy    I'll start after tomorrow.
Sep 05 19:57:29 autopsy    No, actually I'll look into it tomorrow.
Sep 05 19:57:31 BobJensen-Away    Right so some fedral crap will be equal
Sep 05 19:57:42 Sonar_Gal    correct
Sep 05 19:57:45 Sonar_Guy    if not world wide.
Sep 05 19:57:46 corwyn    ok, here's what we'll need to do
Sep 05 19:57:54 corwyn    first, board of directors list
Sep 05 19:58:01 Sonar_Guy    So As I see it we need to set up a task to estables the Corp.  Then once that is established we need to go forth from there.
Sep 05 19:58:04 autopsy    Make a task for this please.
Sep 05 19:58:08 corwyn    for the paperwork
Sep 05 19:58:13 autopsy    Make it a high priority also.
Sep 05 19:58:24 corwyn    ok, I'll get that added in
Sep 05 19:59:05 Sonar_Guy    BobJensen-Away: we may want to get with Max about this, as I see it the Fedora Project is a Non-Profit Corp!!
Sep 05 19:59:14 BobJensen-Away    We are burning time tonight, is there anythign else?
Sep 05 19:59:24 autopsy    Yes.
Sep 05 19:59:26 BobJensen-Away    Sonar_Guy: actually it is not
Sep 05 19:59:48 Sonar_Guy    hmm, ok
Sep 05 19:59:52 autopsy    I counted right right.. we do 4 spins tomorrow, all RAWHIDE x86_64 CD and DVD, and 32 bit CD and DVD BobJensen-Away ?
Sep 05 19:59:54 BobJensen-Away    Sonar_Guy: the "non-Profit" was drope dit is a RedHat owned entity
Sep 05 20:00:15 BobJensen-Away    autopsy: Correct
Sep 05 20:00:26 corwyn    wjat due date do we want?
Sep 05 20:00:34 BobJensen-Away    corwyn: ASAP
Sep 05 20:00:35 Sonar_Guy    ASAP
Sep 05 20:00:38 Sonar_Guy    lol
Sep 05 20:00:39 autopsy    SOON.
Sep 05 20:00:44 corwyn    lol
Sep 05 20:00:44 BobJensen-Away    Yesterday?
Sep 05 20:00:46 BobJensen-Away    LOL
Sep 05 20:00:46 autopsy    LIKE YESTERDAY LOL
Sep 05 20:01:15 autopsy    Hehe.. I will be on the phone with someone tomorrow.
Sep 05 20:01:21 Sonar_Guy    It may also pay to contact various vendors for donations of hardware.
Sep 05 20:01:30 Sonar_Gal    Set this to Sunday's meeting and Hopefully we can all pull together and get the info this week
Sep 05 20:01:39 BobJensen-Away    Sonar_Guy: and if we are "legal" we can do that
Sep 05 20:01:45 Sonar_Gal    +1
Sep 05 20:01:47 Sonar_Guy    Yup!!
Sep 05 20:02:05 Southern_Gentlem    to get non profit from the irs it can take a couple of years
Sep 05 20:02:06 autopsy    Cool.
Sep 05 20:02:08 BobJensen-Away    Anthing else?
Sep 05 20:02:18 autopsy    Southern_Gentlem, so be it.
Sep 05 20:02:24 autopsy    Southern_Gentlem, we need to try at least.
Sep 05 20:02:25 corwyn    ok, task created, will save when we're done
Sep 05 20:02:31 Sonar_Gal    ok Anything else tonight?
Sep 05 20:02:37 autopsy    Nothing from me.
Sep 05 20:02:45 corwyn    nothing from me
Sep 05 20:02:50 Sonar_Gal    motion to close the meeting
Sep 05 20:02:54 corwyn    +1
Sep 05 20:02:56 BobJensen-Away    snapshoting unity03 now
Sep 05 20:02:58 Sonar_Guy    +1
Sep 05 20:02:58 BobJensen-Away    +1
Sep 05 20:03:14 Sonar_Gal    This meeting is now at a closed.